[jamesd1343]

When it's booted normally adb won't see it. If you catch it in recovery mode adb will acknowledge it but in recovery mode you'll only have a limited subset of the adb commands (e.g. no shell).

The firmware upgrade process checks the digital signature on the new firmware before flashing it, so you won't get it to load an alternate firmware without rooting it first. Once it's been rooted, the possibilities are wide open.

thanks for the clarification. so do we know we dont have root already on it? i seem to remember that the m001 seemed to be rooted from the getgo didnt it?

is it the consensus to wait for pantech to see where they go with firmware updates before pursuing rooting and modded roms? id contribute what i can in testing and donations via paypal if there was an interest maybe from ecotox or willow or others?

 

[iconoclast]

Ok, something must've been out-of-whack on my system yesterday, since today adb does seem to work when the device is up and running. The bad news is they've changed a few things around from the standard android, so many of the existing tools floating around for poking at android phones aren't going to work out of the box.

The recovery images have different headers, they seem to have a different process for flashing them from the update scripts, the partition layout is different, etc. They seem to have chosen some odd wheels to reinvent. Which just might be part of why some of the "standard" android features (market comes to mind) aren't debugged and ready yet, but promised for a possible future release?

I expect it won't be long before we're seeing custom roms from those with the talent to make such things, but figuring out some of the non-standard changes in the novel might just slow that process down by a couple hours.

 

[lawman]

Somebody said they may be rolling the black out early, which will add ATT EDGE to the turd-stack too. Not well planned, this...

 

[iplaythisgame]

Acording to this http://www.techlicious.com/blog/pandigital-novel-a-color-ebook-reader-that-run-android-apps/ they dont have plans for a cell networked model. FWIW

 

[jamesd1343]

order cancelled today for me, ill try a raincheck route...dont think ill pay full retail for this device until i know its rooted and roms exist

 

[lawman]

Good plan. I can see them ignoring the rainchecks too though. The recall seems to have made this thing even hotter. I have the browser down enough that I'm checking the forum (And writing this) on it.

 

[iconoclast]

Ok, slight adb update. When everything's running normally, no adb response. When I was poking around in the adb shell on the device yesterday, logcat was showing some errors from surfaceflinger not being able to access a particular file, etc. It seems that under certain error conditions, it kicks on usb-debugging and thus adb starts working. The firmware also seems to be labeled as an engineering/test release, so there's no telling if this behavior will be the same or not after the recall/reload/re-release cycle.

Maybe this all just means that we'll have a rooted rom available by the time the devices reach the general public.

On one hand, if the black model is out soon I'll be bummed for having jumped on this one so quickly. On the other hand, I'd rather have a white one in my hands now than none at all.

 

[lawman]

It's kohl's... we'll trade up if the new ones are blacks. It's starting to look like the black will just be cosmetically differrent though, if no edge, and the 2gb is just a micro sd card.

 

[rspray]

Anyone pushed this thing to see how much memory it can handle? Say a 8-16gb microSD internal and a 16-32gb SD in the slot? It would be flat out amazing if we could end up with 48gb of memory, even if it would cost half of what we paid for the device.

 

[lawman]

In the NFW department...

I got FW S10_06_07_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP working. On a whim I installed it 3x in a row and it just worked. Speeds things up, reduces the lag and freeze up issues, wireless is working. I don't know if they changed the version posted, but it works like a charm. It may be a quality control thing, but looks to me like the recall was pointless...

I like this thing more the more I play with it. My local BN's waypoint wouldn't let me log on, but it wouldn't let my laptop log on either...

 

[lawman]

One more thing... I asked in an email to CS, and they said they would forward my request for the root/kernel/source to the "appropriate department". Others might want to ask too. Wondergeek powers active, form of ... Deluge of requests to customer service.

 

[sharpfork2]

One more thing... I asked in an email to CS and they said they would forward my request for the root/kernel/source to the "appropriate department". Others might want to ask too. Wondergeek powers active, form of ... Deluge of requests to customer service.

For those of us less technical, does this translate to asking for the kernel source code? Is there anything in addition could ask for that would help? I'll tack this onto my open CS request for the definitive CPU specs.

 

[lawman]

short answer, yes. I'm using all the words I could think of because I imagine the end-viewer will be chinese...

 

[davemonfl]

I got my device yesterday and have been playing with it as able. I will do a definitive review in several parts as I play with it. For now:

Conclusion: Dessert first

This thing gets a solid 4 out of 5, with serious potential to actually get better as they support and upgrade it.

No offense, but a 4 out of 5? Maybe a 1 out of 5 because the hardware has potential, but as a device that you can actually use, its just terrible.