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Because it seems that when a process wakes up, it brings the screen back up, too. If you leave those processes alone, they run in the background, using very little battery on their own. It's only when the screen comes back on, that I see major battery loss. I'm not saying that you should put everything in the ignore list. I'm just saying that if you see a particular process come back on on its own when it should be sleeping, maybe try putting it in the ignore list and see what happens.Now, I do shut down wifi before I put it to sleep because with the cruz mod I can't seem to make it shut off automatically when the screen is off, and that will drain the battery.ETA: Instead of shutting it down last night when I went to bed, I left it in sleep mode all night. The charging light was red when I put it in the drawer, and it was green this morning. It didn't wake up until I hit the button.
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Because it seems that when a process wakes up, it brings the screen back up, too. If you leave those processes alone, they run in the background, using very little battery on their own. It's only when the screen comes back on, that I see major battery loss. I'm not saying that you should put everything in the ignore list. I'm just saying that if you see a particular process come back on on its own when it should be sleeping, maybe try putting it in the ignore list and see what happens.
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Can you provide a list of the processes in your ignore list for reference? This has been the biggest source of frustration for me with the PDN - picking it up to use it and finding that the battery is unexpectedly dead. It is the single factor which has relegated this device to being a cool toy rather than a dependable tool.
Because it seems that when a process wakes up, it brings the screen back up, too. If you leave those processes alone, they run in the background, using very little battery on their own. It's only when the screen comes back on, that I see major battery loss. I'm not saying that you should put everything in the ignore list. I'm just saying that if you see a particular process come back on on its own when it should be sleeping, maybe try putting it in the ignore list and see what happens.
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Can you provide a list of the processes in your ignore list for reference? This has been the biggest source of frustration for me with the PDN - picking it up to use it and finding that the battery is unexpectedly dead. It is the single factor which has relegated this device to being a cool toy rather than a dependable tool.
I had to reinstall the Cruz UI firmware yesterday, so I can't tell you what was in my ignore list before that. I'm working on setting this up again. I'll tell you what I've done and why. I hope it helps, but for right now, my own PDN isn't sleeping very well. It usually takes me a week of frustration to get it set to where it stays asleep about 95% of the times I hit that button.
Right now, my ignore list is this:
1. Task Manager and Alarm Clock -- these must be added by default because I didn't put them in there.
2. Android System -- If I kill this, the clock in the status bar stops updating.
3. Moon+ Reader -- I like to come back to a book where I left it, and this is my current favorite reader. Love the autoscroll.
4. Checkin Service, Settings Storage, Sync Feeds -- These are the ones that if I kill them, they immediately come back to life. I don't see any point in killing something the system insists must be running.
5. Settings and thumb keyboard -- These come back to life quickly, but not instantly all the time. They do seem to pop up when my screen comes back on, though, and I remember having to put the thumb keyboard in here after I first installed it on my old setup because it kept messing with sleep.
That's it, so far. I may add more things to it; I may even remove something in this list if I can't get sleep to settle down. For now, I'll probably concentrate on catching all of the processes that should be in the auto kill list. Although, I do manually hit the kill select button in the task manager before I hit the power button, so all running processes that aren't in the ignore list are dead before I put it to sleep.
ETA: I also uninstalled no lock because it interfered with sleep no matter what I did with it.
ETA 2: I had to turn off the Automatic Sync option, but left the background data transfer because the market needs that. Novel slept with no problem for the last 4 hours, but now, I'm going to read. I'm going to try to sleep it overnight with it plugged in. Hopefully, the little charging light will still be on in the morning.
Right now, my ignore list is this:
1. Task Manager and Alarm Clock -- these must be added by default because I didn't put them in there.
2. Android System -- If I kill this, the clock in the status bar stops updating.
3. Moon+ Reader -- I like to come back to a book where I left it, and this is my current favorite reader. Love the autoscroll.
4. Checkin Service, Settings Storage, Sync Feeds -- These are the ones that if I kill them, they immediately come back to life. I don't see any point in killing something the system insists must be running.
5. Settings and thumb keyboard -- These come back to life quickly, but not instantly all the time. They do seem to pop up when my screen comes back on, though, and I remember having to put the thumb keyboard in here after I first installed it on my old setup because it kept messing with sleep.
That's it, so far. I may add more things to it; I may even remove something in this list if I can't get sleep to settle down. For now, I'll probably concentrate on catching all of the processes that should be in the auto kill list. Although, I do manually hit the kill select button in the task manager before I hit the power button, so all running processes that aren't in the ignore list are dead before I put it to sleep.
ETA: I also uninstalled no lock because it interfered with sleep no matter what I did with it.
ETA 2: I had to turn off the Automatic Sync option, but left the background data transfer because the market needs that. Novel slept with no problem for the last 4 hours, but now, I'm going to read. I'm going to try to sleep it overnight with it plugged in. Hopefully, the little charging light will still be on in the morning.
Okay, so I have to remember to turn off wifi before I put it to sleep, but other than that, it's sleeping without any problems. It slept 7 hours last night, and twice, has slept through a charge cycle from red light to green without waking up. Except for making sure to catch any new apps I run in the kill list, I think it's back to being about 95% (or better) sleepable, which works fine for me. I'm done.
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I bought a 2nd novel to test stuff with, and have been working all afternoon on trying to figure out the sleep thing.
My first one, which is working great in every way except sleep (and flashplayer of course) has just been giving me fits with sleep.
I run roebeet v4.01 stock-based firmware, with all the google stuff turned on, and a working market.
So I started to re-create the situation on the new unit, this time logging everything and writing it all down, going one step at a time, and testing the sleep frequently.
I am getting close to the end game, but not quite done yet.
I can say for sure, just loading the google stuff (and not activating it) does NOT interfere with sleep. So just having it in there does not hurt things.
Then I started to do things a little at a time, testing sleep along the way.
I got to putting my google account in, and immediately my contacts, email and calendar synced. The sync icon was in the notification area often, and I could see google calendar task starting and stopping a lot (it is the most chatty of all of them)
BUT... none of this seemed to be interfering with sleep!
HOWEVER - I still have not fiddled around to get market working. It starts with an android ID of 0. I put my account in, went to the market, and got the dreaded server error message. It did give me a market ID. I have not fixed this yet, will be sure to note what fixes it when I get to it.
But still sleep OK...
I put a couple minor apps in, a file manager. Still sleeps OK.
I put nolock in. Now just a glimmer of sleep problems show up. I think this is a known issue. But manageable - sometimes you have to put it to sleep twice but it has been sleeping now for 40 minutes even with nolock.
My original unit will hardly go 10 minutes sleeping.
So all this google cloud stuff is on, and she sleeps...
BUT, still no market.
I am starting to wonder if market isn't the culprit? Too soon to say, but if it starts messing up the minute I get market working, then maybe we will know more. I wonder if it is the remote app disable feature in the market... but way too soon to say.
Anyone else still working on this?
My first one, which is working great in every way except sleep (and flashplayer of course) has just been giving me fits with sleep.
I run roebeet v4.01 stock-based firmware, with all the google stuff turned on, and a working market.
So I started to re-create the situation on the new unit, this time logging everything and writing it all down, going one step at a time, and testing the sleep frequently.
I am getting close to the end game, but not quite done yet.
I can say for sure, just loading the google stuff (and not activating it) does NOT interfere with sleep. So just having it in there does not hurt things.
Then I started to do things a little at a time, testing sleep along the way.
I got to putting my google account in, and immediately my contacts, email and calendar synced. The sync icon was in the notification area often, and I could see google calendar task starting and stopping a lot (it is the most chatty of all of them)
BUT... none of this seemed to be interfering with sleep!
HOWEVER - I still have not fiddled around to get market working. It starts with an android ID of 0. I put my account in, went to the market, and got the dreaded server error message. It did give me a market ID. I have not fixed this yet, will be sure to note what fixes it when I get to it.
But still sleep OK...
I put a couple minor apps in, a file manager. Still sleeps OK.
I put nolock in. Now just a glimmer of sleep problems show up. I think this is a known issue. But manageable - sometimes you have to put it to sleep twice but it has been sleeping now for 40 minutes even with nolock.
My original unit will hardly go 10 minutes sleeping.
So all this google cloud stuff is on, and she sleeps...
BUT, still no market.
I am starting to wonder if market isn't the culprit? Too soon to say, but if it starts messing up the minute I get market working, then maybe we will know more. I wonder if it is the remote app disable feature in the market... but way too soon to say.
Anyone else still working on this?
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I started using the task killer and it would come out of sleep every 24 hours. I made no changes but after about a week it stopped coming out of sleep. I installed a couple of apps and it has come out of sleep once thus far.
Using the open platform as it comes from Pandigital with no changes and no google stuff.
Using the open platform as it comes from Pandigital with no changes and no google stuff.
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Keep searching!! You should consider the possibility that it is possessed!!
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Seem as likely as anything else at this point.
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Keep searching!! You should consider the possibility that it is possessed!!
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Seem as likely as anything else at this point.
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I have been investigating the sleep issue that many of us are facing and I think I may be on to the root cause of at least some of the wake ups. It seems that the problem appears when background sync is enabled and disappears when it is off.
To test, I have been using the quick sync settings app to toggle background data on an off. There should be a hook in the OS to enable and disable this service on a sleep event trigger (sleep switch press). I hope to have a good understanding of the subsystem and can perhaps edit the suspend / sleep function to switch it on and off with the event trigger soon.
Can others test sleeping with background data off?
To test, I have been using the quick sync settings app to toggle background data on an off. There should be a hook in the OS to enable and disable this service on a sleep event trigger (sleep switch press). I hope to have a good understanding of the subsystem and can perhaps edit the suspend / sleep function to switch it on and off with the event trigger soon.
Can others test sleeping with background data off?
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I will give that a try - thanks. Makes sense.
I can confirm that an un-activated google system will sleep OK, I had it sleep for a long time, but the minute I put in the very first account, things started to go downhill.
So I think/hope you are on to something.
I am testing sleep now on an activated 11/19 based system, to see if anything changes. It does seem to act a little different, maybe by dumb luck they changed something that will help us.
I can confirm that an un-activated google system will sleep OK, I had it sleep for a long time, but the minute I put in the very first account, things started to go downhill.
So I think/hope you are on to something.
I am testing sleep now on an activated 11/19 based system, to see if anything changes. It does seem to act a little different, maybe by dumb luck they changed something that will help us.
To mac1_131:
Since you're fooling around with a 2nd WPDN read my last post here about how the Market came alive all by itself on my WPDN! And that's without ANY fix or any change in the Android ID.
It's in the thread: Who's still having problems with ADB.
http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?topic=2853.60
By the way, if I slide the power switch momentarily the PDN goes to sleep and does not wake up... up to now, at least. I put it to sleep last night and this afternoon it was still asleep. I had to wake it up by momentarily sliding the switch again. It was plugged-in to the AC though.
Of course it doesn't go to sleep by itself. The screen goes black but it is not asleep. A tap on the glass and it is alive.
And thanks for your reply several days ago. It pointed me to the right direction.
Since you're fooling around with a 2nd WPDN read my last post here about how the Market came alive all by itself on my WPDN! And that's without ANY fix or any change in the Android ID.
It's in the thread: Who's still having problems with ADB.
http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?topic=2853.60
By the way, if I slide the power switch momentarily the PDN goes to sleep and does not wake up... up to now, at least. I put it to sleep last night and this afternoon it was still asleep. I had to wake it up by momentarily sliding the switch again. It was plugged-in to the AC though.
Of course it doesn't go to sleep by itself. The screen goes black but it is not asleep. A tap on the glass and it is alive.
And thanks for your reply several days ago. It pointed me to the right direction.
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wheatfree -
I had two sleeping last night with background data turned off. One is pretty clean, with just google in it, and the other is pretty well mucked up with weather widgets and such
both slept well, but eventually woke up even with background data turned off
here is something funny. one of them seemed to turn background data back on all by itself. maybe it really is posessed, or maybe I screwed up.
so I turned it back off and put it back to sleep to try again. they really need 24 hour tests to be sure, which is hard when you want to use the darned thing. having them sitting around sleeping all the time is a pain...
so I will report back again later on the clean one if it wakes up and if it keeps it's background data off.
I was really hoping you were on to something here, but not so sure now.
anyone else trying this?
I had two sleeping last night with background data turned off. One is pretty clean, with just google in it, and the other is pretty well mucked up with weather widgets and such
both slept well, but eventually woke up even with background data turned off
here is something funny. one of them seemed to turn background data back on all by itself. maybe it really is posessed, or maybe I screwed up.
so I turned it back off and put it back to sleep to try again. they really need 24 hour tests to be sure, which is hard when you want to use the darned thing. having them sitting around sleeping all the time is a pain...
so I will report back again later on the clean one if it wakes up and if it keeps it's background data off.
I was really hoping you were on to something here, but not so sure now.
anyone else trying this?
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It really is a pain. I paused this test to test removing the telephonyprovider.apk removal. It also woke up a few times especially with WIFI, but then it seems to have slept all night which it hasn't done before.
I'll be testing removal of the telephonyprovider.apk + no background data tonight overnight.
I'll be testing removal of the telephonyprovider.apk + no background data tonight overnight.
This is definately one of the most frustrating things about this device. In fact, I think it is my only real frustration. I'm using stock OP FW 9 30 with no market or Google and about 40 apps. Everytime I think I'm onto something, and disable or delete an app, it still wakes up unexpectantly. In OP I can't find "background data" like in the other FW's. Maybe I'm missing something. We really need a tool to find out what is waking this thing up. I'm working on using the updated version of Android System Info and looking at the log. We really need help from Pandigital.
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By the way, thanks again to all those that have worked so hard to make this e-reader really fun to use.
By the way, thanks again to all those that have worked so hard to make this e-reader really fun to use.
Hi, wolf, can you help me to find the links?
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There are a couple of threads about this already. Have you looked at those?
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There are a couple of threads about this already. Have you looked at those?
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Have observed, though it may well be just coincidence, that if I take the unit off the charger, power on, do whatever, task kill everything, shut it off then plug in the charger it sleeps for weeks, but immediately starts waking every 24 hours if I turn it on and off while on the charger.
For what its worth
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