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Just thought I would comment on the M8 Pro and Pipo possibly rising to the top.
The first few renditions of Pipo tabs all showed promise ...the M1 & 2 , but it seemed to be a hit and miss when one was ordered, with a number of niggles having to be worked out.
Then came the M8 with all it's glitches.
I seem to remember Top Notch Tabs giving a negative when asked if thy would handle it, and at that time it was a no ...due to quality control.
Now the M8 Pro & M9 are really getting some good press. Even TNT places the M8 Pro as their best to sell tablet.
It is the only tab I have read of that give you English instructions. The tear down pics look good. Buyers seem to really love them.
Are they now the best tablet value from China?. Can they keep it up?.
I have my sights set on the M8 Pro.
Is there a Pipo in your future?
 

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I bought a pipo m8 pro and it came 3 weeks ago. Before I use Ainol, Onda and Yuandao tabs and all has quality flaws. But Pipo m8 pro is excellet. And we bought a Pipo m9 to my friend, and like mine it is great too.

Pipo`s tablets quality is very good this days. But there is another succsesful movement from Pipo in this generation. Alternative sizes. Especially m8 pro is good sample of this.I like this tablets size. Also Pipo m7 and m7 pro will be great with 8.9".

Pipo has very goot quality today but sometimes chinese companies makes mistakes. For example Ainol made good products and had a lot of trusted consumers. But last tablets it went to very crappy chipsets. Worst of all they lied about cpu being cortex a9. So maybe pipo will make mistakes too. But right now their products are very good.
 

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Maybe it will last.
There have been quite a few makers who have shown better QC ...some names hat come to mind are Onda, SmartQ, Ramos ..but the buzz over the quality that Pipo is putting out ...especially in the M8 Pro, is very encouraging.
SmartQ, for many (I think) was the cream of the crop, but they seem to be hampered in getting goods to market. Pipo, on the other hand ...brings out new tabs fairly often, is quick with the updates ..and still manages very good QC.
Good for us!
 

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Im waiting for the M6


Roman, have you seen it, tried it, and finally going to sell it

Gavin
I had not been paying attention to the M6. That looks sweet!

Listed here with a 10,000 mah battery.
M6

If that tab has the good QC that has been reported for the M8 Pro ...it should be an iPad killer!

I would think that every rendition of the RK3188 will just get better and better. I can understand your anticipation!

 

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Pipo m8 pro might be to Pipo, what the RK3066 is to Rockchip.
I preordered it, so I've owned it a while now. It pretty much blows away all my other tablets. The really unique feature that I've never seen before, is how well it works on release software. It usually takes a few firmware and custom ROMs to get a tablet working with established chips like RK3066. And M8 pro, as one of the first,runs RK3188 like a charm! And it can only get better as new updates and ROMs comes along:) Big thanks to Roman and his ROMs! He saved my very first tablet buy, the pipo s1, and as I now return to pipo I'm very happy to see him working on the m8 now


I've owned quite a few tablets this last year. As a power tweaker nut I get bored when I have maxed out the performance of my current tech. So I sell off my pimped out tablets to friends and family, and get a new every few months. This one looks to be a keeper tho :)
 

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Pipo m8 pro might be to Pipo, what the RK3066 is to Rockchip.
I preordered it, so I've owned it a while now. It pretty much blows away all my other tablets. The really unique feature that I've never seen before, is how well it works on release software. It usually takes a few firmware and custom ROMs to get a tablet working with established chips like RK3066. And M8 pro, as one of the first,runs RK3188 like a charm! And it can only get better as new updates and ROMs comes along:) Big thanks to Roman and his ROMs! He saved my very first tablet buy, the pipo s1, and as I now return to pipo I'm very happy to see him working on the m8 now


I've owned quite a few tablets this last year. As a power tweaker nut I get bored when I have maxed out the performance of my current tech. So I sell off my pimped out tablets to friends and family, and get a new every few months. This one looks to be a keeper tho :)
To say it is a keeper, with your MO ...says a whole lot about the tab.
The comment about it working so well with apps and all speaks volumes. A similar comment was made by Roman in his praise of the Exynos 4412.
Looks like Rockchip has made an excellent chip. I look forward to getting an M8 Pro soon.
Thanks for the post.
 

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No no, Rockchip keep suffering lag, browser lag and force closes. The last is less with the RK3188 but it happens now and then.
I stated before that my exynos devices, twoo Samsung and twoo China tabs are much better. No lag, browser lag, better in doing more things at the same time etc.
For example, booting a Rockchip device, you have to wait till mail is received before starting another application. No problem with the exynos 4412 or 4210. Also loading, gather your email is much faster.
All in all as you can see in my signature, for the time being, i am finished with Chinese chipsets, I tried them all.
 

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No lag problems with my tablet. None of my friends have even seen a tablet running smoother. Maybe some of your apps or settings are messing with each other. But ofc we all are aware strange things can happen when you order stuff made for and in another part of the world. Results may vary, and if geeking around on forums and juggling custom roms and hacks is not your cup of tea, then you might be better off working a few hours overtime and spend it on a tablet with local service and warranty.
 

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I would agree with janesh about Exynos. Have seen many users report various issues with rk3188 as well as other quad core cpus, but Exynos is the exception. Samsung is a great company in my opinion, I really like my epic touch phone, and also their tablets always get reviewed well by critics and users. Rk3188 just doesn't seem to be as good as I expected it to be, my rk3066 tablets don't benchmark too far lower and run well, no fc's. They do get the same lag janesh mentions when the rk3188 first starts, and downloads email. I would expect better from a quad core, and Exynos does it, rk3188 not.

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I'll reserve judgement on the performance of the RK3188 until my Pipo Max M8 Pro (3G) arrives; hopefully towards the end of this week. As a new member here, let me share my experience with tablets and quality control in particular.

First of all, don't assume because you pay twice the price here in Europe (I am UK based) that the tablets are twice as good or support is much better. In my experience that is far from the case. Most of you I'm sure would probably agree with this. Here's am example. The first tablet I ever owned was an Asus Transformer TF101 (Tegra 2). This was a brilliantly unique device and overall, felt fairly decent build quality. There were some issues with it like the plastic bezel/surround became loose after a fairly short period. Something that didn't overly bother me. One other issue was the IPS screen. Whilst it was decent there was a fair amount of light bleed and clouding. It wasn't severe enough to put me off though.

For short period I was the owner of the new Ipad/Ipad 3; whichever you prefer to call it. The reason for this was that I was completely blown away by the retina display. Also, there was absolutely no light bleed or clouding and the build quality was exceptional. Way better than the Transformer which felt a little thrown together. I am really not a fan of IOS and Apple controlled environment, but the nail in the coffin with the new Ipad/Ipad 3 was the utterly rubbish WiFi performance. Really, really bad. I was barely getting 5Mbps at home and even then it was very unstable, sometimes dropping below 1Mbps. Completely unacceptable for a £400 device. I ended up with THREE Ipad 3s', all with similar issues. By the way this was on multiple WiFi networks so please don't say it was my wireless router! So that put an end to the Ipad and IOS.

I then moved back to an Asus TF201 Prime (Tegra 3). At £500 this was expensive. Again, terrible quality control. I had two of these units. The first unit had an unacceptable amount of line bleed and also awful, awful flickering. The browser was also completely unusable. It was almost impossible to swipe down a page before it would freeze or flicker. The replacement unit was exactly the same except the screen wasn't so bad. It was returned. Honestly, I have no idea how they released this as I know I was far from the only one with these problems.

Moving on, next I decided to give Asus one final chance. I opted for the newly released Asus TF300. This didn't have the metal finish of the Prime but other than that it was more or less the same. I didn't have any flicker or browsing issues with the TF300 which I was pretty relieved about. The keyboard in particular on this was excellent and the screen was just about acceptable. Still signs of line bleed and clouding even on medium brightness. This ultimately led to a major, major issue. The issue being LCD muhra as it's known as. This is basically bright spots behind the glass. Over a period a few months this seemed to get more and more noticeable. I decided enough was enough and logged my first ever warranty call with Asus; then the wheels weel and truly came off. I won't bore you with the details but basically they refused to fix the device and said that it was 'CID _ Customer Induced Damage'. In other words, I somehow caused this. They wanted me to pay 405 Euro to have it repaired which is more than a brand new replacement unit would cost. I refused to pay this and reluctantly accepted a return unrepaired. I waited OVER A MONTH to get the unit returned and when within a few days of the unit coming back the touchscreen started to malfunction then became completely unusable Asus said; and I quote, "This MAY have been a result of the previous damage". Again, they refused to repair the unit based on assumptions that I had caused this damage. I submitted a case with the Small Claims Court here in the UK and I am still awaiting a response from the retailer. Believe me, this is very much the essence of the story!

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to get my point across. Just because you pay a lot more money here doesn't mean that support is better, QC is better and performance is better. I've owned my first Chinese tablet for a week now and that device is the Onda V972 (V2). I was absolutely amazed at the quality of it. Yes, it isn't as rock solid as an Ipad obviously but the retina display on my unit is absolutely perfect. There is no light bleed WHATSOEVER and no clouding. This screen is way better than any of the Asus tablets I had. Also, the new 4.2.2 upgrade seems to address a lot of issues and is much more responsive than the firmware it came with. The only really disappointing thing with this tablet is the speaker. It is terrible! It is possibly the only reason I started looking at other tablets, thus why I came across this forum and the Pipo Max M8 Pro. I got an unbelievable deal on 3G sim card. 12 months unlimited for 19.99 with T-Mobile here in the UK! The Pipo was dispatched from China on Monday via DHL so I'm hopeful of getting it this week!
 

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I recently got an ASUS Vivotab Smart, a windows 8 tablet. So far, it's been very good, hopefully I don't run into any of the issues you had with ASUS devices. Although I've only had android tablets before, and always liked android, I have to say this ASUS is better than any tablet I've owned so far. Only real downside is the microsoft store has very little choices. On the upside, it runs any x86 program. I was all set to buy an rk3188, but after seeing all the issues, I decided to get the ASUS (on sale for $400USD). Maybe down the road I'll get an Exynos tablet at some point, but the RK3188 doesn't seem to be a real major upgrade from RK3066 right now. That could change as the hardware/firmware matures, but I don't really see the benefit at this time, for the price you have to pay.
Also, I have heard about ASUS support sucking, so I hope(fingers crossed) I don't need to contact them. I did get an extended 4 year warranty through Squaretrade, hopefully that will cover me if something happens.
 

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It's only logical that the Exynos performs better.
It has been established longer and been put in many more devices (also A-brand ones, so better feedback and more funds and pressure to improve).

I'd take my PiPO M8 Pro over any other device though (certainly RK3066, my Archos Gamepad runs one one of those, but is quite laggy at times). For me it's the perfect package.
Or tell me where else you would find a quadcore, 2GB RAM device with 9.4" IPS screen, front facing speakers, HDMI-out and respectable battery capacity/life and not spend more than let's say 225 USD.
The Ramos W42 is pretty nice, but had entered quite expensive. The price has come down a bit, but still it's lacking 2GB RAM, front facing speakers, HDMI-out and its 5400mAh is just about okay.

I'm more than happy with the performance I get out of my tablet and in time it will only get better.
Value for money, I really got my 214 USD worth.

By the way, you must not think a chinatablet or any Android device is a 'productive' device per se, it's meant for entertainment mainly: videos/games/browsing.
If you want to be productive, than yes, you're better of get a Windows tablet/touchscreen netbook. It would be more adequate.

But in the end it's all about your personal priorities and taste of course. That's why there are so many different tablets and topics: to each their own.
 

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Yeah after that experience I think its safe to say I'm done with Asus! A shame as I loved the Transformer in many ways.

Believe it or not I did decide to buy a laptop again. I ended up with two (HP Spectre XT and Dell XPS 14z) both of which had terrible WiFi issues. Funnily enough they used the same Intel Centrino N-6235 WiFi adapter which has many, many issues apparently. I had to return both of these.

After searching low and high I decided that laptops with decent screens were all far too expensive. I hate the rubbish TN panels that most of them use. I was really disappointed the the screen quality on the Dell XPS in particular considering its a more premium model.

As you can tell I don't have much luck when buying new products!
 

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Yeah that sucks. I have pretty terrible experience myself with Packard Bell.
Those are the worst of the worst qualitywise. Really poorly build, especially the screens.
I had to return a mp3-player with OLED-display and my PB Laptop's screen couldn't handle everyday normal life in a backpack.
If you have experiences like that you'll hardly consider them ever again.

Then I bought an Asus laptop, which I had very few things to complain about, but later, in possesion of another family member, the fragile hinges would break.
As the Asus rotated in the family I bought my rather expensive Sony VAIO F11Z1E/bi, which immediatly had to return for fixing because of fannoises (it was whistling and really got on your nerves).
It had to go back a second time, because altough they claimed they solved it, the problem was still there; unsolved.
Few months later the whole thing would heat up quite a bit and make a lot of noise. The rubberized wristsupport would start to bubble up as well.
And that's a friggin' VAIO, something I thought was so expensive and top-of-the-line with 1080P matte screen, i7-quadcore, 8GB 1333MHz RAM, bluray burner etc, that it would be flawless.

Since I had quite a decent experience with my old Asus and I was really loving the design of the new N56VZ with Bang & Olufsen soundsystem, I decided to give Asus another go.
And I must say, altough it isn't flawless as well (the featured external subwoofer made funny noises, the logo doesn't really light up that well and the mousepad has uneven edges), I'm really loving it.
It's silent, cool, other than the slight deformed touchpad, very well build, screen is gorgeous and the performance, certainly with the somewhat newer i7 and 8GB 1600Mhz in combination with a Samsung 830 series 512GB SSD!

The concept of Asus' tablets I really like as well. They were the first and best with a keyboarddock with a netbook experience of having the screen tiltable and adding a mousepad, SD-cardslot and battery as well.
Actually I'm wondering why they're so slow releasing something new. The TF700 and TF300 have been around for quite a while now. They need to step up! It looks like they're steering clear of Android in favour of Windows 8.

But surely each brand has their ups and downs.
But it is hard to keep on giving chances if previously you did and ended up looking like an idiot for doing so, so much is true.
 
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I'm more than happy with the performance I get out of my tablet and in time it will only get better.
Value for money, I really got my 214 USD worth.

By the way, you must not think a chinatablet or any Android device is a 'productive' device per se, it's meant for entertainment mainly: videos/games/browsing.
If you want to be productive, than yes, you're better of get a Windows tablet/touchscreen netbook. It would be more adequate.

But in the end it's all about your personal priorities and taste of course. That's why there are so many different tablets and topics: to each their own.
Of course, like you end with, to each his own. But I always had problems trying to use android tablets in some ways to be productive. For example, my company uses Quickbooks online. So I could, on an android tablet, use the mobile app, which was very limited. Or I could use a browser in desktop mode, which never displays quite correctly, and often has flash problems. Either way, it usually ended up with my getting frustrated and not doing what I needed to get done. Responding to emails and using google calendar works well on android.

But I also have to use some x86 only programs for work databases, so that limits what I can do with an android tablet. I've had seven android tablets over the last couple years, more than some people, less than many others. If I'm going to spend $200-250 dollars on a tablet, I would like it to do more than be a consumption device. But really, there's nothing that I know of that can do both gaming and productivity applications equally well right now.

So, I use my android tablets for relaxation-play music, videos, surfing the web, etc. The ASUS windows tablet and my desktop are for getting work done(with some playing around sneaked in ). It's a good mix.
 

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Of course, like you end with, to each his own. But I always had problems trying to use android tablets in some ways to be productive. For example, my company uses Quickbooks online. So I could, on an android tablet, use the mobile app, which was very limited. Or I could use a browser in desktop mode, which never displays quite correctly, and often has flash problems. Either way, it usually ended up with my getting frustrated and not doing what I needed to get done. Responding to emails and using google calendar works well on android.

But I also have to use some x86 only programs for work databases, so that limits what I can do with an android tablet. I've had seven android tablets over the last couple years, more than some people, less than many others. If I'm going to spend $200-250 dollars on a tablet, I would like it to do more than be a consumption device. But really, there's nothing that I know of that can do both gaming and productivity applications equally well right now.

So, I use my android tablets for relaxation-play music, videos, surfing the web, etc. The ASUS windows tablet and my desktop are for getting work done(with some playing around sneaked in ). It's a good mix.
I just need speed and stability. Other than a Ramos W42 with Exynos (sent back), I have had two Apads with the early A10 Allwinner and ICS. Slow, slow ....SLOW!


I use an Pad2 for business now, but it is mostly files I pull up for clients ...jpegs, pdfs ..and some MS Word and Excel docs.

If the next Android tab I buy has the ability to pull up these same files quickly, I will be happy camper. Ipads OS can be so frustrating.

I am beginning to wonder if the M6 is that tab.
 

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There's plenty of decent office tools and medis presenters for android - has been for quite a while. And tablet-adapted software for android has grown quite alot the last year with avaiability and price drops. And ips panels have also developed and dropped significantly in price - giving great screens to relatively cheap tablets.
 

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From my Pipo M8 Pro.

This has to be the best China tab I have ever had. It is not perfect, but no big issues so far.

After loading a custom ROM, no lag ...just clean performance. Not sure about games and such (not a real gamer), but for all other options very nice.

Only quibbles ...batt will only change to 79% and the case is loose just a bit on one side. Both of things can be corrected in the future sometime.

Neat tab. Neat brand, it looks to be. I spotted some neat videos on Pipo and their history. They look to be a company looking toward a long, prosperous future.

 
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