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#1 AC Slater

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:22 AM

Ainol Novo7 Venus highlights:

  • 7" 1280x800 IPS multitouch screen
  • Quadcore Actions processor
  • 1GB RAM
  • 16GB Flash memory
  • Dualcamera: 0.3MP frontfacing, 2.0 rearfacing
  • 4K output over HDMI 1.4a
  • 4000mAh battery

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#2 Tzul

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

So this is the Ainol Venus? It was announced with USB3, GPS and Bluetooth. But it seems to have none of that. Oh Ainol...
The tablet's Chinese name is "Myth", apparently.

Seems like a 7" version of the Hero II.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:00 AM

well, perhaps thats why it is called 'myth' :) GPU is also the same as Hero II..

Tested tablets > Ainol: Elf II, Aurora II, Crystal, Hero, Fire | Pipo: S1, S1PRo, S3, S3PRo, M9, M8Pro | Yuandao: N70s(RK3066), N70s(RK3168) | FNF Ifive: Mini x3

Would recommend any time of the day or night > Pipo M9.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

no gps no bt

i cant see why anyone would get this over the Fire for about the same money

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:22 AM

no gps no bt

i cant see why anyone would get this over the Fire for about the same money


Fire has serious QC issues with its Touchscreen. Maybe Ainol phasing out Fire.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

Just to share, I played around with this tablet for a few minutes when I was in Shenzhen last week. I found the screen to be nice, on level with the Nexus 7 (perhaps it might even be from the same supplier, same specs 1280x800)

Performance wise, it is rather sluggish. I think this is totally unacceptable from a tablet with 4xCortex A9 and running Jelly Bean on top of that! Where did the project butter go to? I wonder if Ainol might have screwed up with regards to the software somehow, perhaps they shipped the tablet with userspace governor selected at lowest clock speed?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:13 PM

thats bad news because it runs the act7029 + gc1000 so if its slow at 1200 x 800 its not gonna help at twice the resolution on the captain

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:51 PM

idk... Ainol is known for Bad Firmware Releases with new products at first

Edited by WAI, 20 January 2013 - 10:51 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:22 AM

Fire has serious QC issues with its Touchscreen. Maybe Ainol phasing out Fire.

Care to elaborate? It's true that some people reported touch screen failures initially. But as it turned out, they probably caused that themselves, by flashing incompatible recoveries or firmwares. A fix has been released that can reactivate "dead" touch screens.
I'd say that the Fire actually has the best touch screen out of Ainol's 7" models. Because the other models (Elf, Aurora, Crystal, etc.) are actually using a touch screen and controller that's intended for 3.8" devices at most! (See here.)

idk... Ainol is known for Bad Firmware Releases with new products at first

True, but I don't think that any firmware can improve the CPU's speed (except for raise the clock to the advertised 1.5 GHz) or turn it from a Cortex-A5 into a Cortex-A9.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

Care to elaborate? It's true that some people reported touch screen failures initially. But as it turned out, they probably caused that themselves, by flashing incompatible recoveries or firmwares. A fix has been released that can reactivate "dead" touch screens.
I'd say that the Fire actually has the best touch screen out of Ainol's 7" models. Because the other models (Elf, Aurora, Crystal, etc.) are actually using a touch screen and controller that's intended for 3.8" devices at most! (See here.)


True, but I don't think that any firmware can improve the CPU's speed (except for raise the clock to the advertised 1.5 GHz) or turn it from a Cortex-A5 into a Cortex-A9.


But the CPU is supposed to be capable. It's actually a quad Cortex A9, so I'm hoping you didn't mistake the CPU in this for Cortex A5 based. I honestly think the firmware isn't really optimized (and probably never will be, given Ainol's track record) :rofl:

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

But the CPU is supposed to be capable. It's actually a quad Cortex A9, so I'm hoping you didn't mistake the CPU in this for Cortex A5 based. I honestly think the firmware isn't really optimized (and probably never will be, given Ainol's track record) :rofl:


You seem to have missed my topic in this forum here. The ATM7029 used in the Hero II and Venus looks very much like a Cortex-A5.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:40 AM

Okay, I have seen another version of Venus with ATM7025, what is different this time? Yesterday it was possible to get it from panda at $130.

Tested tablets > Ainol: Elf II, Aurora II, Crystal, Hero, Fire | Pipo: S1, S1PRo, S3, S3PRo, M9, M8Pro | Yuandao: N70s(RK3066), N70s(RK3168) | FNF Ifive: Mini x3

Would recommend any time of the day or night > Pipo M9.


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

You seem to have missed my topic in this forum here. The ATM7029 used in the Hero II and Venus looks very much like a Cortex-A5.


I did indeed miss it. Thanks for the link, I will go take a look at it.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:15 AM

Hi All,

I am planning to buy this table. Can anyone please upload the Antutu and Taiji Score for this tablet. It will really help me to make decision.

Thanks

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

Hi All,

I am planning to buy this table. Can anyone please upload the Antutu and Taiji Score for this tablet. It will really help me to make decision.

Thanks

Hero 2 substitutes Venus just fine when looking for benchmarks (same hardware and resolution) and some of those tests. http://forum.lightak...31&TopicID=2372

it's sad but Antutu seems to be only worthless benchmark with AMT7029. Somebody cheats.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:07 PM

Hero 2 substitutes Venus just fine when looking for benchmarks (same hardware and resolution) and some of those tests. http://forum.lightak...31&TopicID=2372

it's sad but Antutu seems to be only worthless benchmark with AMT7029. Somebody cheats.

Can anyone upload Taiji score also. I am more interested in Taiji score. Thank you all

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:20 PM

Hero 2 substitutes Venus just fine when looking for benchmarks (same hardware and resolution) and some of those tests. http://forum.lightak...31&TopicID=2372

it's sad but Antutu seems to be only worthless benchmark with AMT7029. Somebody cheats.

Nice link to very good benchmarks!!!

You can see that Hero II does poorly in NenaMark 2, Quadrant & Vellamo (both HTML5 & Metal).

The *only* benchmark it does very good in is Antutu. =(
Just goes to show that people should always run multiple benchmarks and that Antutu is bad benchmark. How can an ARM chip do so badly in other benchmarks but show really great score in Antutu???

Can anyone upload Taiji score also. I am more interested in Taiji score. Thank you all

Can already tell on the weak side just from looking at NenaMark2 score. My N80 (RK3066) gets 55 FPS. Compare that to 31.5 FPS for Hero II.

*MINIX NEO X5 (RK3066) - OK. Not fun because uses mouse cursor.
*YUANDAO N80 DUAL (RK3066) - Very good
*CUBE U30GT (RK3066)- Defective; buttons broke in 2-3 weeks; Bad quality control!!! I will never buy a Cube again!!! - Very good while working
*WOPAD I7 (RK2918)- About OK. Sluggish because has weaker ARM chip (RK2918) & less RAM (512 MB).

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

My N80 (RK3066) Results For Comparison
Nenamark2: 55 FPS
Quadrant: 4170
Vellamo: HTML5: 1575, Metal: 527
Antutu: 12050

Edited by Nickos-V, 22 January 2013 - 04:34 PM.


*MINIX NEO X5 (RK3066) - OK. Not fun because uses mouse cursor.
*YUANDAO N80 DUAL (RK3066) - Very good
*CUBE U30GT (RK3066)- Defective; buttons broke in 2-3 weeks; Bad quality control!!! I will never buy a Cube again!!! - Very good while working
*WOPAD I7 (RK2918)- About OK. Sluggish because has weaker ARM chip (RK2918) & less RAM (512 MB).

#19 Tzul

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

May I suggest to include PassMark in benchmarking?
It appears to be a good suite of tests and gives detailed results.
CF-Bench could be interesting, too, as it compares native vs. Java.

By the way, I suspect that Vellamo Metal might be single-threaded, but I'm not sure. Anyway, single-threaded performance is important, too. I doubt that many Android apps are optimized for multicores.

Here are detailed Metal, PassMark and CF-Bench results from an Ainol Aurora 2 (Amlogic AML8726-MX):
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The Hero 2 performs worse than this in all Metal tests save for RamJam.

Another interesting item is the total available memory. While most tablets have 1 GiB of RAM (with 2 GiB on the rise), not all of that is available to apps. (Note that this is not the currently free/available memory, but the total memory seen by the OS!)
Some benchmarks report the total memory, see the PassMark screenshot above for an example. However, there's a catch here - it's not 899 MiB (binary units of 1024) but 899 MB (decimal units of 1000).
Check the virtual file "/proc/meminfo" if you're unsure, the unit there is "kB" (KiB, binary).
899 MB = 878 MiB.

So, in case of the Aurora 2, we have 878 MiB / 1024 MiB = 85.8% total memory available.
For the Hero 2, it's only 719 MiB / 1024 MiB = 70.2% total memory available.

I wonder what occupies those nearly 30% of RAM on the Hero 2 (GPU framebuffers?) and whether it's the same with the Venus (probably).


One more thing:
Screen refresh rate. On the Hero 2 it's apparently 62.95 Hz as shown by Vellamo's system info. On the Aurora 2 it's only 50 Hz, confirmed by Vellamo and the PassMark simple 3D test.

Edited by Tzul, 22 January 2013 - 05:28 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

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I watched TV Shows in 720p it was alright but it's better to not download at the same time.
Need for Speed Most Wanted runs but not very smoothly.
Rayman Jungle Run seems to have an issue with the touch screen.

I manage to disable the bloatware in System menu but I can't remove them with ES File Explorer and Titanium Backup, what should I do?

I have a touchscreen issue with the AC charger, I would not recommend to use it.

Edited by Batou, 24 January 2013 - 06:18 AM.