[ivanz]

App/Games compatibility... ;D

[Tablet_Collector]

janesh, on 03 February 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

Yes Jez, I am a noob , what do you mean with app visibility?

Lol, sorry I meant when you look for common apps in Play Store are they there without having to tweak anything.

[Tablet_Collector]

ivanz, on 03 February 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

App/Games compatibility... ;D

Well I guess it's a couple of things really :

1. Are common apps there in Play Store when you look for them without any tweaks?

2. Are common apps/games compatible and run without issues especially Gameloft games without any tweaks.

[janesh]

Oke Jez, I thought what did I miss , but you meant as in Ivanz's post compatibility.
No, i missed not one app, but I am using not much from the google playstore as I am not using any game.
I have to say, chrome, twitter, facebook, buienradar (dutch rainradar) they all are available without tweak the build prop, XML files and so on.

If I take a look in the playstore, I see a lot gameloft games to download, free and paid.
Are there games you want to know if they are available?

This post has been edited by janesh: 15 February 2013 - 07:36 AM

[Tablet_Collector]

Thanks janesh, a couple that I often find missing are Asphalt 7 and N.O.V.A 3.

[janesh]

Both available Jez, downloading now Asphalt 7, 1.66 Gb, € 0.89, i think i want a refund.

[Tablet_Collector]

Good news thanks janesh

This post has been edited by Tablet_Collector: 04 February 2013 - 02:47 AM

[venome]

common apps are there as far as i can tell. Sadly i cannot run the Gameloft games yet :s
Having used, cube u30gt, pipo S2, novo 7 crystal, and google nexus 7, despite not having jellybean the ramos has been my best tablet experience so far.

The tablet is easy to hold and i don't think it's that thick in comparison to other tablets i've held. The camera wasn't a deciding factor for me.. and i have never bothered with HDMI. Only the quad cores, 9.4 inch display,
and scratch resistant screen mattered to me.. and the cool looking design. (never liked white tablets). I'm 100% happy with the ramos

Screen is very bright and sharp.. have brightness setting almost all the way down.

This post has been edited by venome: 03 February 2013 - 11:59 PM

[Tablet_Collector]

Thanks venome,

What happens when you try to run Gameloft games?

Mine has shipped so I should have it hopefully by Wed /Thu.

Jez

[janesh]

I got him, and I am impressed.
Great dimensions and weight, great screen, sensitive and very good brigtness. Fast, no lag and very good wifi reach, better as my ployer momo11 quad. Sound is also good, as well the build quality, and keeping in hands, it is for me one of the most pleasant devices I own.
Full google playstore available, i am not missing apps, and Jezzer, Asphalt7 and N.O.V.A.3 available.

Antutu, 15232, and 2D and 3D scores a bit disappointing, less than momo11 quad, whose mali 400 is running 400 Mhz in contrast with the ramos W42, running 533 Mhz.
Vellamo benchmark, Metal 533 and HTML5 1163. At least, geekbench2 scored 1847 what is very good.

Sofar the only miner point is the Ram size, in the specs listed as 1 Gb, and availble 628 Mb. I noticed this before buying and I wonder what I will notice in daily use.
Where is the rest of the 1 Gb, perhaps Nickos, when you are reading this can comment on this.

To summarize, great device as I allready said, I am a big fan of the samsung exynos 4412 now, and forget the ATM7029 for sure, and until now also the Allwinner A31, by far not in the same league as exynos 4412.

[Tablet_Collector]

Hey great news janesh and thanks for the review

I'm very pleased to hear it's a good tablet. So we didn't waste our money after all

Itching to receive mine now

I wonder are there any Chinese apps/installed and running? Maybe these are eating some of the RAM?
Can you see what else is running under Settings - Apps - Running? Could use Advanced Task Killer to kill any unwanted.

Is the tablet rooted by the way?

Nearly forgot, which firmware is it running? w42-20130104 seems to be the latest downloadable from Ramos but JB is supposed to be available early Feb.

Cheers
Jez

This post has been edited by Tablet_Collector: 04 February 2013 - 11:39 AM
Reason for edit: firmware version query

[janesh]

Yes, Jez, I forgot a few things, the device is running firmware dated 2012122, and I allready downloaded the most recent firmware you mentioned.
Checking with root checker, the device is not rooted and there is a lot of chinese apps available.
Checking what is running, seems to me not chinese apps.
Device came in with 90 percent in the battery, and now after between 3.5 and 4 hours of use, 38 percent left, I think for me the best performance of all china tabs I bought.

Edit, wifi analyzer tells me -43 dBm, also one of the best results of all my chinatabs.

This post has been edited by janesh: 04 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

[Tablet_Collector]

Just keeps getting better janesh That wifi result is brilliant. Battery is fine too, hopefully 7 to 8 hours from a full charge.

You could try ExynosAbuse app for rooting.

Jez

This post has been edited by Tablet_Collector: 04 February 2013 - 12:28 PM

[Nickos-V]

janesh, on 04 February 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

Antutu, 15232, and 2D and 3D scores a bit disappointing, less than momo11 quad, whose mali 400 is running 400 Mhz in contrast with the ramos W42, running 533 Mhz.
Vellamo benchmark, Metal 533 and HTML5 1163. At least, geekbench2 scored 1847 what is very good.

Sofar the only miner point is the Ram size, in the specs listed as 1 Gb, and availble 628 Mb. I noticed this before buying and I wonder what I will notice in daily use.
Where is the rest of the 1 Gb, perhaps Nickos, when you are reading this can comment on this.

OK. Sounds very good Janesh.

Vellamo most likely single threaded benchmark. So, it only tests out 1 CPU core. That is why you get 533 Metal score. ie. 1 Cortex A9 core @ 1.4 GHz gets tested. HTML5 score is somewhat low at 1163 though. HTML5 does lots of graphic testing - http://www.quicinc.com/vellamo/ - I score 1565 with my RK3066 tablet. Exynos Quad should score higher in HTML5 (unless weaker 2D GPU? or maybe less buffers?) and at least better in Antutu 3D score than RK3066 tablet. Hopefully just a driver or firmware issue that Ramos can fix. Need to see Exynos Quad GPU benches for Samsung products to see if they get the same results or better to know for sure.

As for RAM, you can try what Jezzer says but I think it is being taken up by hardware instead of software. On my N80, cat /proc/meminfo, I get MemTotal: 899688 KB & MemFree: 313476 KB. Fairly sure you are talking about MemTotal. Please post these two from /proc/meminfo.

To figure out why MemTotal is low with Exynos Quad you would have to:
a] cat /proc/iomem
b] use hex calculator; subtract 2nd # from 1st # for each item listed; change hex calculator from hex to decimal mode to figure out the size in bytes.

Example:
10090000-10090097 : Mali-400 GP
10090097(H) minus 10090000(H) = 97(H) = 151 bytes (decimal) of RAM taken

10091000-1009102f : Mali-400 L2 cache
1009102f(H) minus 10091000(H) = 2F(H) = 47 bytes (decimal) of RAM taken

Doing this is lots of work though. Would be nice if iomem had a column showing this info instead.

This post has been edited by Nickos-V: 04 February 2013 - 12:52 PM

[janesh]

MemTotal: 643188 kB
MemFree: 51804 kB
Buffers: 11640 kB
Cached: 264480 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 259980 kB
Inactive: 213976 kB
Active(anon): 197884 kB
Inactive(anon): 396 kB
Active(file): 62096 kB
Inactive(file): 213580 kB
Unevictable: 0 kB
Mlocked: 0 kB
HighTotal: 289792 kB
HighFree: 772 kB
LowTotal: 353396 kB
LowFree: 51032 kB

This is meminfo Nickos from my w42, I am afraid the Ram size is 643188 Kb.

This post has been edited by janesh: 05 February 2013 - 04:20 AM

[venome]

Modern Combat 3 - Device is not compatible with this game. Please request refund.
Same for all Gameloft titles.

[Tablet_Collector]

venome, on 04 February 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Modern Combat 3 - Device is not compatible with this game. Please request refund.
Same for all Gameloft titles.

You can try editing build.prop to spoof other compatible devices. You need to be rooted. You could try using

ro.product.model=GT-I9100
ro.product.brand=samsung

For more detailed information on editing build.prop see my post under cube u30gt or there are many others
http://www.slatedroi...ogle-Play-Store

Jez

[Nickos-V]

Quote

MemTotal: 643188 kB
MemFree: 51804 kB
Buffers: 11640 kB
Cached: 264480 kB

HighTotal: 289792 kB
HighFree: 772 kB
LowTotal: 353396 kB
LowFree: 51032 kB

http://www.redhat.co...ps/meminfo.html

I would have to read a meminfo primer to better understand meminfo output but link above gives a basic explanation.
MemTotal: Total usable ram (i.e. physical ram minus a few reserved bits and the kernel binary code)
-MemTotal is lower because certain devices and kernel code are taking that space away from the OS

MemTotal = HighTotal + LowTotal
MemFree = HighFree + LowFree

High = RAM above about 860 MB (for x86?; maybe 896 MB?)
Low = RAM below about 860 MB (for x86? maybe 896 MB?)

No idea why there is a 860 MB cutoff for RAM. First time I am hearing this. I just did quick search for linux highmem because I thought it was above 1 GB but instead it says over 896 MB for x86.

Some area of memory is reserved for storing several kernel data structures that store information about the memory map and page tables. This on x86 is 128 MB. Hence, of the 1 GB physical memory the kernel can access, 128MB is reserved. This means that the kernel virtual address in this 128 MB is not mapped to physical memory. This leaves a maximum of 896 MB for ZONE_NORMAL. So, even if one has 1 GB of physical RAM, just 896 MB will be actually available.
http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450


iomem shows how much RAM is being used by devices but you (or someone will) have to subtract the hex values & convert to decimal to see the size of RAM used. Just looking at iomem listing is very hard to tell. You have to go through, subtract (in hex) and convert every row to decimal format to figure out the amount of bytes each device is taking from RAM. Takes time to do and tedious.

You would then have to do the same for RK3066 tablet. Then would have to search for the top 5-10 devices that take up the most RAM to see what they are. Like i2c - http://www.i2c-bus.org/ , etc.

[Nickos-V]

venome, on 04 February 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Modern Combat 3 - Device is not compatible with this game. Please request refund.
Same for all Gameloft titles.

An update to Jez's thread. See my post here:
http://www.slatedroi...122#entry571122

[venome]

Thanks Jez and Nickos