[BlackWidow21593]

I'm back...okay I was able to make my WPDN useable, put my first library book on it YES!!!!, but now I'm wondering if the 512mb are going to be enough. I have read and searched the forums here about changing my internal card but my question is, do I have to reflash everything I have on the internal card I have now if I change it out for a bigger one and how big can I go? Also, I found a really good deal on a Professional Class 10 Secure Digital SDHC Card; can I use that kind of card as an external card? Again, I LOVE THIS SITE and thanks to Panengineer, You are truly a great guy.

[panengineer]

Both cards can go up to 32 gb, not sure about the class 10 cards, I would assume they would work, but I have no experience. Perhaps soneone who has tried will reply.

As for reflashing the novel if replacing the internal card, the easy answer is yes if you are running the SH20 firmware or any that partitions the internal card. Just backup your apps with titanium backup or other such backup, reflash the FW, install titanium or the other backup app, and restore your apps. You would likely have to put your favorite apps back onto your home screen(s).

The only way to avoid this is very cumbersome and requires a lot more knowledge. You must have linux as well as windows where you can see and copy each half of your existing internal SD card to a PC. When you reboot the novel with the new internal card in place it should partition the card into the linux and windows partitions. Then you would have to write over the two partitions on the new internal card with the partitions you copied onto the PC. Then reboot and hopefully you will be back in business. This is generally more trouble than most want to go to unless perhaps they were already running a dual boot linux/windows PC.

[andersonsilvafrontkick]

Id just stik with buying a SD card for the external slot. Its less stress & it will save everything to it. Go with a 8 gig for 10 bucks, I gurantee you wont use up the entire space. I have over 3 gigs left that i dont see myself using anytime soon. I have maybe 10 or so full length Movies, 50 or so of my favorite MP3s,& about 7 books.

[panengineer]

andersonsilvafrontkick, on 04 February 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

Id just stik with buying a SD card for the external slot. Its less stress & it will save everything to it. Go with a 8 gig for 10 bucks, I gurantee you wont use up the entire space. I have over 3 gigs left that i dont see myself using anytime soon. I have maybe 10 or so full length Movies, 50 or so of my favorite MP3s,& about 7 books.

Depends on why you need the memory, apps won't install to the external SD card in android 2.1.

[BlackWidow21593]

Thank you once again Panengineer. I decided not to tempt fate, so I'm just gonna go with a external card. Thank you too Andersonsilvafrontkick, I wondered what size to buy, and how much it would hold. Two questions for you, what do you play your movies with are they MP4's. Thank you again Panengineer, if it weren't for you, I would just have a paperweight. I appreciate you and all you do.

[panengineer]

BlackWidow21593, on 07 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Thank you once again Panengineer. I decided not to tempt fate, so I'm just gonna go with a external card. Thank you too Andersonsilvafrontkick, I wondered what size to buy, and how much it would hold. Two questions for you, what do you play your movies with are they MP4's. Thank you again Panengineer, if it weren't for you, I would just have a paperweight. I appreciate you and all you do.

That's all you can play with the stock video player. Mobiplayer, realplayer, and some others will play other formats including avi if you make you own with a camera. I convert mine with anyvideo converter and have about 3 or 4 full length movies on a 4 gb card along with about 100 songs and some photos. My card also includes a lot of apps and some firmware zips.

This post has been edited by panengineer: 07 February 2012 - 08:51 PM

[Pioneer4x4]

I also am confused on this. I have a 32GB installed internally, and a 4GB in the external. I get low space warning installing apps. How do I find how much space is free or what is using it up?
On the "SD card & Device storage settings screen" it says

SD card
Total space
3.83GB
Available space
3.54GB
(I understand this is the external card, no biggie)

Internal storage
Available space
14.69GB

which is tons... and is this the "\PDNovel" or is it something else? I understand that the 32 probably gets automatically divided into 2 16GB, I am fine with that, but what are they, and how do you measure both of them?
If I have to start over, I am OK with that.

I am running kewlguys 2.1.1 SH20_20110302_k_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP
SH20_OPDN_2_10_GAPPS_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP
SH20_OPDN_2_11_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP
SH20_MRKTFIX_1_0_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP

[panengineer]

Pioneer4x4, on 17 February 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

I also am confused on this. I have a 32GB installed internally, and a 4GB in the external. I get low space warning installing apps. How do I find how much space is free or what is using it up?
On the "SD card & Device storage settings screen" it says

SD card
Total space
3.83GB
Available space
3.54GB
(I understand this is the external card, no biggie)

Internal storage
Available space
14.69GB

which is tons... and is this the "\PDNovel" or is it something else? I understand that the 32 probably gets automatically divided into 2 16GB, I am fine with that, but what are they, and how do you measure both of them?
If I have to start over, I am OK with that.

I am running kewlguys 2.1.1 SH20_20110302_k_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP
SH20_OPDN_2_10_GAPPS_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP
SH20_OPDN_2_11_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP
SH20_MRKTFIX_1_0_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP

You will not be able to see the other partition unless you are running linux on your PC and plug your novel into your PC with the usb cable. All that will be there is your installed apps, so it really doesn't make sense that you would get that unless your partitioning did not work properly.

I recommend you start over and only flash one of KGs firmwares, it appears you flashed the base firmware without GAPPS and then flashed the firmware that includes GAPPS. Maybe that messed something up as only one of those two firmwares needs be flashed, but it needs to be flashed twice to install the included apps. The partition on the internal card you see, is really like an external SD card as apparently pandigital decided to set up the SH20 firmware as if you wouldn't have an external card and partition the internal for apps on half of it and then for data on the other half.

[Pioneer4x4]

panengineer, on 17 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

You will not be able to see the other partition unless you are running linux on your PC and plug your novel into your PC with the usb cable. All that will be there is your installed apps, so it really doesn't make sense that you would get that unless your partitioning did not work properly.

I recommend you start over and only flash one of KGs firmwares, it appears you flashed the base firmware without GAPPS and then flashed the firmware that includes GAPPS. Maybe that messed something up as only one of those two firmwares needs be flashed, but it needs to be flashed twice to install the included apps. The partition on the internal card you see, is really like an external SD card as apparently pandigital decided to set up the SH20 firmware as if you wouldn't have an external card and partition the internal for apps on half of it and then for data on the other half.

Thanks for the quick reply!
I ran SH20_OPDN_2_10_GAPPS_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP twice
then SH20_OPDN_2_11_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP which I thought was the update/supplement
then SH20_MRKTFIX_1_0_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP to fix market

SH20_20110302_k_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP is what appears on my "About Device" screen

So if I start over,
1 - are those correct to install (in that order)?
2 - should I (and how do I) totally wipe it and revert to stock software first?
If so, what is best way to backup apps I am using now, (ES File Explorer?)

and if I am getting message about not enough storage, what is that referring to?

Is the \PD_Novel essentially the "usable" ½ of the internal card? If so, is that what is reported here
Internal storage
Available space
14.69GB

or is that the other ½ and is my PD_Novel still 512MB maybe?

(I think that is 6 total questions...) ;-)

This post has been edited by Pioneer4x4: 17 February 2012 - 08:47 PM

[panengineer]

Pioneer4x4, on 17 February 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Thanks for the quick reply!
I ran SH20_OPDN_2_10_GAPPS_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP twice
then SH20_OPDN_2_11_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP which I thought was the update/supplement
then SH20_MRKTFIX_1_0_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP to fix market

SH20_20110302_k_PD_INX7E_ENG_6410POP is what appears on my "About Device" screen

So if I start over,
1 - are those correct to install (in that order)?
2 - should I (and how do I) totally wipe it and revert to stock software first?
If so, what is best way to backup apps I am using now, (ES File Explorer?)

and if I am getting message about not enough storage, what is that referring to?

Is the \PD_Novel essentially the "usable" ½ of the internal card? If so, is that what is reported here
Internal storage
Available space
14.69GB

or is that the other ½ and is my PD_Novel still 512MB maybe?

(I think that is 6 total questions...) ;-)

1) You might try getting my newer market fix file, but that should work otherwise.
2) I would just flash again, but if you like, you can factory restore, flash to the 3/2 stock firmware, and then flash the other 3 files. I have generally not done that, but then I haven't had the problem you describe.
3) esfile explorer works for backups, I have been using Titanium
4) It is referring to not having enough space on the linux partition that you can't see which is where the SH20 FW installs apps. Not sure why it is not about the same size as the windows partition listed as pdnovel though unless your partitioning or something didn't flash right.
5) Both halves are usable, pd_novel is visible and usable by you to store files, the linux partition should be available to your novel to install apps.
6) Sorry, not sure exactly what your 6th question is or how to answer that as I would have no way of knowing other than what you have posted which sounds about normal. Your PC should report a little less than 4 gb for sd_card and a little less than 16 gb for pd_novel and you should not be able to see the other partition without linux. One would assume it is a little less than 16 gb, but I have no way of knowing.

Some people have had flashes that reversed their external and internal cards, but that does not sound like that is what happened. Some people have also had problems with sd cards not being formatted correctly. So, it might not hurt, especially if you get similar results, to reformat that card fat22 before flashing.

[Pioneer4x4]

panengineer, on 17 February 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

1) You might try getting my newer market fix file, but that should work otherwise.
2) I would just flash again, but if you like, you can factory restore, flash to the 3/2 stock firmware, and then flash the other 3 files. I have generally not done that, but then I haven't had the problem you describe.
3) esfile explorer works for backups, I have been using Titanium
4) It is referring to not having enough space on the linux partition that you can't see which is where the SH20 FW installs apps. Not sure why it is not about the same size as the windows partition listed as pdnovel though unless your partitioning or something didn't flash right.
5) Both halves are usable, pd_novel is visible and usable by you to store files, the linux partition should be available to your novel to install apps.
6) Sorry, not sure exactly what your 6th question is or how to answer that as I would have no way of knowing other than what you have posted which sounds about normal. Your PC should report a little less than 4 gb for sd_card and a little less than 16 gb for pd_novel and you should not be able to see the other partition without linux. One would assume it is a little less than 16 gb, but I have no way of knowing.

Some people have had flashes that reversed their external and internal cards, but that does not sound like that is what happened. Some people have also had problems with sd cards not being formatted correctly. So, it might not hurt, especially if you get similar results, to reformat that card fat22 before flashing.

OK, thanks a bunch, I will try to start again from pandigital's site, and then do the updates again in sequence. I have not had the problem with cards swapping internal and external, and I can tell by content that the 4gb is external, and I use a different smaller card for FW ZIP files.
Is there a command line command I can run from the "Terminal emulator" in "Dev Tools" or some other command line util that will tell me partition usage?


Also , the last time I tried to re-do it, I lost the apps bundled with it from Pandigital. I got them back from app backup by luck, but it did not appear to install all of the pandigital stuff to my 32GB card.

This post has been edited by Pioneer4x4: 20 February 2012 - 04:05 PM

[panengineer]

Pioneer4x4, on 20 February 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

OK, thanks a bunch, I will try to start again from pandigital's site, and then do the updates again in sequence. I have not had the problem with cards swapping internal and external, and I can tell by content that the 4gb is external, and I use a different smaller card for FW ZIP files.
Is there a command line command I can run from the "Terminal emulator" in "Dev Tools" or some other command line util that will tell me partition usage?


Also , the last time I tried to re-do it, I lost the apps bundled with it from Pandigital. I got them back from app backup by luck, but it did not appear to install all of the pandigital stuff to my 32GB card.

I don't know about teminal emulator commands, not sure if you can get it to show anything about the linux partition.

You must flash the SH20 firmware file twice, the second time partitions the internal micro SD card and installs the included apps.

[Pioneer4x4]

panengineer, on 20 February 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

You must flash the SH20 firmware file twice, the second time partitions the internal micro SD card and installs the included apps.

So you mean flash ORIGINAL twice before trying to update?
I did flash update twice, but I will start again soon.

I put my internal 32GB card in a machine with Paragon Drive Copy 11 (Which is FREE TODAY!!! www.giveawayoftheday.com)
Here is a capture of what it saw. So it does look like both partitions are correct.
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Number of downloads: 4

[panengineer]

Pioneer4x4, on 21 February 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

So you mean flash ORIGINAL twice before trying to update?
I did flash update twice, but I will start again soon.

I put my internal 32GB card in a machine with Paragon Drive Copy 11 (Which is FREE TODAY!!! www.giveawayoftheday.com)
Here is a capture of what it saw. So it does look like both partitions are correct.
32.PNG

Whichever SH20 firmware you are using whether it be the stock 3/2 FW, Kewlguy's Base FW with enhancements but without GAPPS, or Kewlguy's enhanced GAPPS FW with market and the google apps. It doesn't matter, they should be flashed twice after replacing the internal micro SD card or upgrading from S10 FW to get the included apps. If you have something other than the generic android icons for the apps and they run, then you are OK. The supplement file and market fix files only need to be flashed once.

This post has been edited by panengineer: 21 February 2012 - 11:46 AM

[Pioneer4x4]

panengineer, on 21 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Whichever SH20 firmware you are using whether it be the stock 3/2 FW, Kewlguy's Base FW with enhancements but without GAPPS, or Kewlguy's enhanced GAPPS FW with market and the google apps. It doesn't matter, they should be flashed twice after replacing the internal micro SD card or upgrading from S10 FW to get the included apps. If you have something other than the generic android icons for the apps and they run, then you are OK. The supplement file and market fix files only need to be flashed once.

Thanks.
I think that is the issue or close to it. I installed "DiskInternals Linux Reader" on my Win 7 laptop, and it showed the 2 16GB partitons, BUT only one was readable, the windows one. The other one was marked as FAT32, but had nothing in it, and was not valid.
I put my original 1GB internal card in and could read both 512MB partitions (and recovered some apps from the other partition!)
So now I wonder where my apps are actually installed? the REAL internal flash chip? Can't be much space there at all.

[panengineer]

Pioneer4x4, on 21 February 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Thanks.
I think that is the issue or close to it. I installed "DiskInternals Linux Reader" on my Win 7 laptop, and it showed the 2 16GB partitons, BUT only one was readable, the windows one. The other one was marked as FAT32, but had nothing in it, and was not valid.
I put my original 1GB internal card in and could read both 512MB partitions (and recovered some apps from the other partition!)
So now I wonder where my apps are actually installed? the REAL internal flash chip? Can't be much space there at all.

Maybe it has problems with partitioning a 32 gb card. Perhaps you can find something or someone with a linux machine to correctly format the other partition and then copy over the stuff from the smaller card. Perhaps it would work properly then.

[Pioneer4x4]

panengineer, on 21 February 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Maybe it has problems with partitioning a 32 gb card. Perhaps you can find something or someone with a linux machine to correctly format the other partition and then copy over the stuff from the smaller card. Perhaps it would work properly then.

I just tried again with factory firmware, and same thing. THe factory shortcuts on desktop error with "Application is not installed on your system". I tried to delete partitions from Windows and could not. I will try other utils or asking a linux guy to try for me. The partition is there, but apparently flawed or locked...
At least I understand now. I guess most apps have been installing to the on board flash where the os is located, and that is what was reporting full.

[Pioneer4x4]

I am still working on this. I found a program (EaseUS Partition Master Home Edition) that is freeware and can create and delete the partitions via windows. It said that the factory 1GB card has 2 primary partitions both 512MB, BOTH FAT16.
Windows only uses the first "Primary" so the other isn't seen. The unseen one has apk files on it, so it all makes sense so far.
I tried creating and formatting 2 16GB partitions on the 32GB card, both FAT32, no luck (yet). I am currently trying 16GB FAT32 and 16GB EXT2 for kicks.
I also tried 30GB FAT32 and a 2GB FAT16 wondering if the os could only use FAT16 for extending the os to for app install. Upon boot, it wipes out the partitions and creates 2 16GB again. It appears that the second one does not or cannot be formatted.

On a side note, with the 1GB installed after redoing factory firmware, it shows 587MB available on internal storage. WTF is that? 512 + 75MB from where?
The ES FIle explorer says that PD_Novel has 67.8MB on it, so there should only be 444MB or so available, where is the 143MB coming from, extra space on the onboard flash? or remaining on the other side of the 1GB?

I really want to understand this!

[panengineer]

Pioneer4x4, on 22 February 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

I am still working on this. I found a program (EaseUS Partition Master Home Edition) that is freeware and can create and delete the partitions via windows. It said that the factory 1GB card has 2 primary partitions both 512MB, BOTH FAT16.
Windows only uses the first "Primary" so the other isn't seen. The unseen one has apk files on it, so it all makes sense so far.
I tried creating and formatting 2 16GB partitions on the 32GB card, both FAT32, no luck (yet). I am currently trying 16GB FAT32 and 16GB EXT2 for kicks.
I also tried 30GB FAT32 and a 2GB FAT16 wondering if the os could only use FAT16 for extending the os to for app install. Upon boot, it wipes out the partitions and creates 2 16GB again. It appears that the second one does not or cannot be formatted.

On a side note, with the 1GB installed after redoing factory firmware, it shows 587MB available on internal storage. WTF is that? 512 + 75MB from where?
The ES FIle explorer says that PD_Novel has 67.8MB on it, so there should only be 444MB or so available, where is the 143MB coming from, extra space on the onboard flash? or remaining on the other side of the 1GB?

I really want to understand this!

I believe the internal memory is the memory on the board of the novel, not any of the storage cards. That is what is used to operate android. The internal card windows partition should be PD_Novel and the external card should be SD_Card. I don't know what the Linux partition is called as I have never seen it as I run Windows 7. As far as the other stuff, why didn't you format both partitions to FAT16 if that is what was on the old card and it worked? I thought the linux partition would be EXT2, but I really don't know since I have never looked at it. I also thought everyone says to format the windows partitions on SD cards to FAT22. Try reading the manual and other information linked in the WIKI on how all of this is set up. Also searching the forum with a keyword may yield some results.

[Pioneer4x4]

panengineer, on 22 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

I believe the internal memory is the memory on the board of the novel, not any of the storage cards. That is what is used to operate android. The internal card windows partition should be PD_Novel and the external card should be SD_Card. I don't know what the Linux partition is called as I have never seen it as I run Windows 7. As far as the other stuff, why didn't you format both partitions to FAT16 if that is what was on the old card and it worked? I thought the linux partition would be EXT2, but I really don't know since I have never looked at it. I also thought everyone says to format the windows partitions on SD cards to FAT22. Try reading the manual and other information linked in the WIKI on how all of this is set up. Also searching the forum with a keyword may yield some results.

I agree on PD_Novel and SD_Card.

The reported free internal memory changes with the internal mini SD card removed. So it is adding something on board with one of the partitions on the mini SD.

FAT16 is limited to 2GB that is why I tried a 30GBfat32 and a 2 GB FAT16, which the tablet repartitioned back to 2 16GB.
I don't know what FAT22 is I assumed it was a typo.

I have come to the conclusion that since no one actually stated that 32 is working correctly, it will always create a unusable hidden partition. I may try with a 4GB next, I think I have a mini one.